libertarianism or religion. >> there's a lot of people worry at night. believe me, they're not sitting there saying, geez, let's have more tax breaks for the wealthy and more loopholes to corporates. >> that's where your party stands. >> we have fought that battle and it's a mistake. we've got to get back to talking to middle income people about how they can reach the american dream. that's why we lost pennsylvania and ohio, wisconsin, michigan. we've got to get back to having people feel like we understand their lives. we're t not about just tax breaks for the wealthy. >> do you think -- i like your values here, by the way. i'd like to see your party really compete. democratic party offers pell grants, opportunities for working class kids to go to college, social security for people over 65 so they can avoid being below the poverty line. what has your party put up in that bidding war? what do you offer for those regular people? >> not enough. i'll give you way of example. we like to say that we're the pro life party. we're really not. we're the pro birt